Animal Rights Hate Mail

When I ran my Wildlife Damage Control.com company I received a fair amount of say, e-mail that disagreed with me. I provide it here to help people learn just how loving animal rights activists are.

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Okay, so it isn't all hate mail. Some of the letters are just telling me they disagree with me. But using the term hate mail gets more attention. I love getting hate mail. I would prefer a more reasoned discussion of the animal rights issue but then if the discussion was reasoned, we wouldn't have very much to talk about, would we?:). One of the dirty little secrets the media likes to continue is the notion that people who love animals are thereby kind to humans. I think the following e-mails as I add them will demonstrate that there is some real foolishness out there if not human hatred. 

Now are all animal rights protest industry activists mean to people? Certainly not. I have actually met a couple that, although extremely confused in their world view, were kind sociable people. But as the pro abortionists like to argue, these animal rights activists have created a climate of hate. I just would like to expose the climate of hate created by various animal rights protest industry supporters.  

As a standing policy in WDC, we always respond to all hate mail. (We also respond to legitimate questions as well :) We always provide full information on how people can get in touch with us. I always include my full name, mailing address, phone number, fax number, e-mail and web site address.  

We have removed the e-mail address of the people who sent in this foolishness to protect them. I have also edited the format (not the content) of their letters to save space. I also include my responses.

Enjoy. We welcome the opportunity to debate animal rights protest industry proponents whenever we can. When you have a forum, feel free to let me know. Otherwise, feel free to write articles, I will try to get them published for you.

I have a new page dedicated to my conversations with one person! Yes you read that right, one person. She was rather copious in her writing. Be ready for a 30 second plus down load.

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I even get hate mail from the right wing.

----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:58 PM
Subject: (no subject)

you're a nutcase hidin behind the bible you've been Berkshires too long

My Response:

Thanks for the smile today. Besides your bad grammar and incomplete sentence, you might want to know that I don't live in the Berkshires.

I am also adding your statement to my hate mail pages. It doesn't get much better than this.

Happy New Year. I also think you are worth more than a billion animals.

Stephen Vantassel

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 1:20 PM

Subject: appalled

I am greatly disappointed that you have chose (like the Immoral Minority) to use Jesus of Nazareth (The Prince of Peace) as a forum for attacks on them (ecologists, vegetarians) that have found Spirit to God through the natural world. Someday may your closed minded hate mongering find the love that your saviour possessed....limiting God to a narrow agenda is definately a Christian > Church taught value......have your fear, it's yours. Lord save us from your 'followers'

I responded

Thank you for your love filled response. I am confident that your natural path to spirituality has given you great insight in your loving words. Unfortunately, your vision of Jesus is incredibly myopic. Jesus claimed to be the only way to God. See John 14:6. Peter reaffirmed this claim in Acts when he asserted there is only one name under heaven by which mankind can be saved. Yes, the Christian church has been faithful in its witness that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Yes, the truth does offend many people that is why Jesus said he was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks. It is obvious as well that you decided to attack before reading. You failed to read all of the information attacking the animal rights movement. Click http://www..com/politics.htm There you would know that I am very much an environmentalist. I just don't worship animals or the earth. If you took the time, you would know that I would very much like to see responsible environmental policies established. I am tired of seeing excellent habitat destroyed simply because some person has to have his mansion there. But unlike some so called environmentalists, I don't think that trapping and eating meat=killing the earth. thanks for writing. You demonstrate again just how ignorant the world is about the role of trapping and the Christian religion. You emphasize more and more the need for my site to show the world the truth. One more thing. About hatemongering. Spare me. Why not talk to the Animal Liberation Front and talk to them about hate? Trappers have not been implicated in the attacks on any humans.

She Responded

I assume since your and my vision of hell and heaven are quite different that any further discussion might be fruitless but who knows. Yes, the christian (capital C would assume that Jesus of Nazareth has anything to do with it) church has upheld a doctrine that Jesus as an idol is the only way to 'heaven'. Unfortunately for this belief, the rewrites of the 'holy' bible in the 4th and following centuries by the Council of Nicea and other control freaks didn't expunge the words .... "my father's house has many rooms" and the sermon on the mount and that we were extolled by Jesus that we could "do greater things than I". All of this exclusiveness and 'ignorance' (your term) have created the fear, original sin, cringing flawed humanity stuff that is legendary in the church to convince humans that we need an intercessor between us and God, Quite the opposite that Jesus came to teach....that we and God are One.... Welcome to the New Age, the old fear teachings of the church cannot overcome the Love that Jesus originally taught ! If it is important to cherry pick certain verses out of the bible as Truth than why not pick different ones. Actually there are many devout Christians I've met that do live the Spirit (Habitat folks > etc.), not the> Church's fear laws (the modern pharisees) p.s. the Acts of the Apostles also makes it clear that> communalism is> inherantly Christian, so how has capitalism and> christianity become so> inherantly intertwined ?

I responded

One question do you know Koine greek? If so how many years have you studied it? Most liberal seminaries don't teach their students the languages. What evidence do you have that the Church rewrote the Bible in the fourth century. It seems you also need a class in textual criticism (lower criticism). You have committed a typical liberal error. You assume a belief then throw out any scriptures that don't agree with those assumed beliefs. As for Early Church Communalism. First the church never gave up the concept of work and earning a living. The difference was that early Christians recognized the value of giving to their fellow believers and to the poor. Those values have not left the Church. Paul distinquished between true widows and the non-true widows (see Timothy). You also need to distinguish between the ideals of the faith and how we as fallen creatures fail to fulfill all that God wants. Jesus is my idol? That is funny. He is only an idol if he is not God.

She Responded

Oh my god! The "L" word...how horrible to follow the teachings of a 'typical' Liberal like Jesus in an age where the mainline church backers (that's DIY?) are committed control conservatives........ Yes, the Council of Nicea did 'edit' (actually they decided what was 'heretical' and therefore who they could burn at the stake) and through organized government (sound like Iran?) moves stamp out what they could of other beliefs that didn't fit what the emporer needed for a state religion.....ever read any of the other gospels (damned to hell heretics et al.), Essene, Gnostic etc. that harken back to a time when things were different between the teachings of Jesus and his followers? Did Jesus tell the 'holy' church that these other gospels were not his words ? The church has definately not taken the lead on 'love thy neighbor' and the poor, in spite of Jesus' urgings....actually they specialize in what you're defending, theological conservatism, priest-caste, and witch-burning (in all it's forms including the recent 'moral majority' censorship moves). You can have the pharisee version of Jesus (Saul and his 'conversion' along with all it's thou shalt and thou shalt not's) that > is just some > people's (oh but they're apostles or whatever somehow different than you and I!) commentary or you can have the prince of peace, the sermon on the mount, the only two commandments (God and Love)..... Love or Fear, it's all in the choosing.....why throw out James (Ch. 2)who was pretty specific that all the pious talk was just that, talk.....I would suppose that could be too inclusive for the christian church and would leave their hierarchy (Graham, Falwell, Robertson) in tatters but would promote the followers of Gandhi, King, and Matthew Fox (more> heretics) > >

I responded

You don't even know what I believe. You didn't even answer my question about knowing Greek. As I stated before you have simply adopted a world view and then gone to the Bible with that world view and threw out what didn't fit. I guess my comment about the Gnostic texts really hit a nerve. I guess I must have been right. Your comments about Paul are truely unfortunate. I guess Paul was correct there will be those who come to the Church as wolves in sheep's clothing. You also didn't prove that the Council of Nicea edited the Bible. They interpreted the Bible but I don't see how they edited the text. As someone who knows Greek, I must say that I think there conclusion was correct. Jesus is God and not a god like the Arians suggested. Witch burning. Hmm. I guess you want to compare that with what happened in Hitler's Germany. Remember those Lutherans etc. were extremely liberal. They no longer believed that the Bible was the word of God aka the impact of Wellhausen theory. Has Christianity made mistakes. Absolutely. We have failed to perfectly follow the Word of God both in flesh and in paper that He gave us. However, our failure does not invalidate either. Here again you cherry pick your verses. You like those words of Love and peace. But you forget that those words are written along with contend for the faith, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. As for James 2. I love the book of James. It says that if you have faith you must have good works. I say amen to that. But we are saved by faith not by works. However, works are evidence that we have true faith. It is sad that you have never really met Biblical Christianity. I would suggest you spend less time creating straw men and engaging Biblical Christians with a desire to know what we really believe, not what some professor or t.v. show tells you what we believe. I thought your statement on Billy Graham was foolish. He is by no means a hell fire preacher. But he does correctly witness to the truth that Jesus is everything the Apostles said he was. Why don't you spend some time reading some Christian theologians like Calvin, Hodge, Erickson. But don't let this activity stop you from learning Greek.

She Responded

No, I adopted MY view (I am in God's image)....as a 'failed, miserable sinner' I have faith that God didn't create junk that needs tyrants like Constantine or King James (or Billy Graham ala Richard Nixon/Ronald Reagan) to tell me what True Spirit is all about. The church has failed, and will continue to fail, to live up to the > convenant Jesus presented for our relationship with God as > long as they > need to control..."Love thy neighbor" is not disregarding what Jesus said.....listening to Paul talk about thou shalt and shalt not is disregarding what Jesus wanted to bring to the world.....Love and openness Remember Gandhi is damned to hell under your 'faith' definition along with Black Elk, Bahallah and many other's that follow the Spirit of Jesus...you can construe the bible (via your teacher's interpretation > of Greek or not, there are other's, liberals as you call them that differ, - or gnostics or essenes) to be whatever suits the nervousness about your being actually being one with God....I'd rather spend eternity with Spirits like Gandhi then control freaks like Robertson, Falwell, and Graham. They are the > christian churches leaders unless you make a stand for> Truth (that comes from within) and Love ("God is Love" is disregarding the word of God?)....but then again you don't believe that that's really what God's about then, if 'the word', for all it's contradictions and > inconsistencies (and editing) is more important than Spirit.... end of story p.s. I have no issue with eating meat and spirituality ... I choose not to eat meat to help Me with my spirituality (not yours or anyone else).... as in other things, if you feel OK with your spirit and flesh eating then why be defensive? No one can make you feel defensive unless you have issues with who you are....trusting one's self to know God is rarely a christian church taught ethic...being born sinful and all >

I responded

Yes, you have understood Christianity correctly. Either Jesus is the way the truth and the life or he isn't. It is really quite simple. Jesus didn't say, I am a way or a truth or a life. The definite article is there. I am not ashamed of it. If that means that Ghandhi is in hell and eternal separation from God than that is the way it is. I am not God. I didn't make the rules. I am simply one who must respond to the truth whether the truth bothers people or not. Let me ask a question is Hitler in hell? Is anyone in hell? Again, I am still waiting for an answer on your greek skills. I would also like an answer on why you consider yourself a Christian. Given your anger at the church I don't know why you would even want to associate with the title. But perhaps I have misunderstood your posts. Finally, I am no more defensive about my privilige in Christ to eat meat than you are about your belief that Christ is only one way. I am constantly amazed at how liberals scream and cry about us radical bigoted conservatives. Yet, you are bigoted about people who believe that there is one truth. Why do you feel the need to convince me of the single truth that there is no single way to heaven? Again you still create straw men. I never even mentioned Nixon or Reagan. What have they to do with the truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Those who deny Christ, cannot enter heaven. I think you are extremely hurt by someone in your past. I think you need to get over that. Stop spewing your venom at me. I didn't hurt you. It is quite unloving.

She Responded

Yes , you have understood me right, I am a Christian. Not by your standards, undoubtedly. But "like a little child" have grown from a church-going hypocrit, through atheisism, to imbrace the Christ consciousness which outshines any 'rules' that the church can try to put on humanity.......Love over Fear, only a non-Christian could deny that....why do the Bahai's, Buddhists, Hindu's, Sufi's etc. that I know embrace Christ's love more than the fear-mongerers that control the church that bears His name.... If that's venom to you (burning coals) so be it.... p.s. If anything is a 'red-herring' it is your 'research' into my greek skills. Relevant ? Only if your religion is based on your fears, you decide...

I responded

You are funny. You certainly don't read my posts very well do you. I have some questions, one of them three times now. You don't know Greek do you. Still waiting for the proof that the Church Fathers at the Council of Nicea changed the Bible. (let me save you some time, they didn't) But do let me know where you find your proof. Christ Consciousness. Could you be more vague. Given the venom, the mischaracterizations and straw man arguments you have used against me, tell me how you have adopted this Christ consciousness. It is the Bible not personal choice that tells us what it means to be a Christian. You argue like someone who says, I believe in driving consciousness but I am tired of the rules of the road. Love is a meaningless word without concrete examples of what it means. Remember the sexual revolution of the 60's they talked about free love. is that love? is love a feeling or is love an act? Is love a duty? You have again tried to use the name of Christ to support beliefs that Christ never would have supported. He soundly criticized the pharisees. But he never criticized them for believing in the God of Israel. Bahai would have us believe that the Baal worshippers are also going to heaven. It is clear you don't know much about truth or the nature of theology. You certainly don't know much about historic Christianity. Then again why would you. You chose to attend a seminary that doesn't believe in Christianity. I think the word is whited seplechures. Look great on the outside but inside full of dead men's bones. I don't quite think you have thought through your statement on fear. I read proverbs and it says the fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. I think that is your problem. You believe in cheap grace. Grace given without responsibility. You want God to grant heaven to everyone despite what they believe. You still haven't answered my question on hitler. Do you read my posts or do you simply have a mantra that you need to crank through in order to go to heaven?

She Responded

Simple... I know French, Spanish better than Greek (still irrelevant) Council of Nicea actually created most of what you see in the current bible (all other versions were cast aside and followers branded as heretics, something you obviously applaud). Many theologians have documented this. Christ consciousness is not vague (what part of Christ's Love is vague?) Driving consciousness sounds good to me. How would Jesus drive ? Love is all of the above (act, feeling, duty, free) If we are to believe individual verses of the bible we will have many contradictory statements, only you decide (or your theologians, whatever)......leaves us only with the Spirit which has continuing revelation right through to today..... If you are in a space of Love you reveal God's will for humanity, today or 2,000 years ago. The Inquisition, Witch burning, Cruscades, McCarthyism, Slavery, Homophobia (please Jerry tinky-winky on the Teletubbies?) are all evil (live spelled backward) that has had to be unearthed by marginalized Christians while the mainstream 'theologians' defended it. Even our wars are heartedly embraced by christian leadership (Christ and war together?) but again any twisting of the bible can come up with to equate the two. Beware of Matthew Fox, Patrick Henry, and Meister Eckhart, they may all just be evil liberal minions, out to distort (or at least to unshackle control over) humanity... Love is a Christian family value

I responded

Thank you for finally answering one question, I think. Are you claiming to be able to read Koine Greek? Since you claim many theologians state that the Council of Nicea created the present bible. Could you list three of those theologians. I would also like an answer to the question. If the Council of Nicea created this bible why is it that we have papyri from the end of the first century? Why do we have four N.T. text families. It would seem to me they did a rather poor job. Here is another question. Irenaeus strenuously argued against the gnostics. Scholars thought he exaggerated the problem. But when we discovered the Nag Hammadi texts, what do you know. We found out that Irenaeus didn't tell us the half of it. As I stated earlier. Your arguments against Christianity stem not from knowledge but from some bad experience you have had. That is sad. But remember we can give our allegiance to Jesus of Nazareth as long as we have breath. I think your Homophobia statement says volumes. As for Jerry Falwell and tinky winky. If you took the time to research it you would know that he was no where near the first person to make the connection. Read that Fundamentalist magazine known as Brill's Content magazine. I believe the article came out 4 months ago. YOu will see the media treated Jerry wrong there. Oh yea, in case you didn't know Brill is NOT a CHRISTIAN magazine. If memory serves, Jerry Falwell is also an Adulteryphobe too. And I believe he is a fornicationphobe. Funny these are all actions that are condemned in Scripture. I think he is a liarphobe too. I think the devil is supposed to be the father of lies. You also haven't taken credit for Hitler. If I have to take credit for the crusades, witch burning etc. You should step up and take credit for Hitler. Liberal theology destroyed the ethos of Germany. Just don't forget that Your Ghandi whom you think is such a great guy followed a religion that taught women should kill themselves when their husbands die. By the way, what has hinduism done for India? Again you like to cherry pick your problems. I am telling to meet the Biblical Christ. He is the issue. As for the contradictions in the Bible. I will ask the same question I ask everyone who says this. List them. Okay, list 5. You are both venomous and funny. Love is a family value it is also a Christian value but what is love and what is a family? Scripture defines these terms and give concrete examples to explain them. You need to as well. Are you showing me love? Not according to your definition. You are trying to convince me I am wrong. yet BHai says we are all correct. According to my definition, you are. Because you think I am in error. YOu care enough about me to try to show me I am wrong. However, I just wish you would stop with the straw men and the false arguments. You are quite myopic in your view of Christianity. I would suggest you visit the world and see what happens when Biblical Christianity has not taken place. And I don't mean from a five star hotel.

I think that is enough! I will end this correspondence.

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